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Peter Petrelli ([personal profile] askedtobe) wrote in [community profile] maskormenace2015-08-17 07:26 pm

text. anon.

For those who haven't seen it, this conversation is worth turning your attention to. At the very least, for the sake of speculation.

[ There is a link provided, and were this a voice post, there would be a long pause while you're meant to digest the information and see the obvious, problematic links. ]

There are those here who have no interest in being a hero: this post is not meant for you, as you have already made the perfectly valid choice to do what is in your own personal interest. I see no problem there. However, there are those here who truly, outwardly claim and have made the choice to be heroes. But it's curious that for one in specific, who makes themselves known as intentionally fighting for the good of the people, that they had prior information pertaining to similar gases from their own home that some of us had the joy of experiencing.

Therefore, would it be so off base to say that they might have knowledge as to where these toxins came from?

And since they had this available, why didn't they do something before now? Why did they wait until such a large incident before they were willing to stand up and offer help. Because while we certainly cannot have expectations for heroes to stand up at all times - many of us are only human, after all - retaining pertinent information regarding those who consider themselves 'villains' seems rather hypocritical.

Are we hiding those of us who might cause damage, now? Or are we simply waiting for them to wreak havoc so we can save as many people as possible?


[ ooc; all replies anonymous unless otherwise specified. ]
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-17 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
You think I care about glory hunting?
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-17 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Would it have helped?
If you had lived in fear of what might happen, you'd only give them what they wanted.


[ Still avoiding that pronoun, but seriously, who else could he even be talking about? Even if Peter didn't already know, it only needs a half-decent detective, already suspicious of Crane, to pick up on that fear fixation and connect the dots. ]
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes people deserve the chance to be reborn; given a second chance.
We move too quickly to condemn--to call an ex-convict a criminal when they have served their time, and lynch mob the truly sick individuals among us when their illnesses go untreated.
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
If they've done nothing? Would you have them know what you've done?
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
Which makes their crime even more unforgivable, and makes it even more important that they meets justice.
When this happened before, they were institutionalized. Should that be public knowledge too?
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[personal profile] anxiogenic 2015-08-18 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
I really don't see how you can cast stones about mental health, here.

[From one costume-dressing neurotic to another. Bruce, you dress up as a Bat and punch mentally ill folk in the face. That's your choice. Now recognise that Scarecrow can make his own.]
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
They're really much more like boulders than stones, Crane.

[ And he's avoiding the word 'Scarecrow' except for special occasions. ]

You were in hospital. I intend to put you in one again.
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[personal profile] anxiogenic 2015-08-18 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
[There's certain expectations, here. From one masked individual to another. He doesn't appreciate being called that name; this is a special occasion.]

... Of course you do. But you'd be wise to catch me before making that promise.

If you're going to cast your lot amongst these fools, at least learn from your foolishness.


[A sharp, pointed statement about Bruce's failure to protect all those people? Sure. Let's do it.]
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
[ Which would be fine if Crane did him the courtesy in return, but he was the one who italicized that Bruce a while back and made a private conversation about his mask very public. This is just the same thing in reverse. Anonymously.

Catching you is the easy part. Keeping you alive will be the challenge. Harder, if someone else gets to you first.

It would be better for you if you turned yourself in. To me.
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[personal profile] anxiogenic 2015-08-18 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
[That generous offer would be welcomed by others. Those who were less beholden to their own obsessions, and those who had concern for society. Crane doesn't consider himself common, and he doesn't care about society except as something to be picked apart and studies. He believes he sees this offer for what it is.]

Please. You would imprison me to prevent them from seeing the truth. Mankind is too willing to relinquish itself to fear. The lynch mob is full of murderous intent. People are so easily led. Can you imagine the slippery slope, here?

I can.

You are not doing this for my benefit. Your own need to avert failure is the real culprit, here.


[Besides. It's not like they can die here!]

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[personal profile] superposition 2015-08-23 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Some people don't deserve second chances. Not everyone is redeemable, and you're naïve to believe otherwise.
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[personal profile] darkpants_warmfeeling 2015-08-18 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
What did you know?

Could you have stopped this?


[The Bat might not be working with Archangel anymore- hell, Jacob isn't working with Archangel anymore- but on some level the Protector still thinks of Batman as linked to his team. An aspect of his own vision and responsibility.]
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-18 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
I knew something was coming; I didn't know when, or how.
The same thing happened in my city, only in our case, a break out at the asylum resulted in the city's entire police force being funneled onto one small island before the gas was released. It affected armed police, SWAT, the criminally insane, and thousands of civilians at once, without warning.

Could I have stopped this? Yes. But not in any way that was legal.
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[personal profile] darkpants_warmfeeling 2015-08-18 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
To hell with legal. What the law says isn't always what's RIGHT. I thought you got that. I thought that was why you were helping to take on the police in Maurtia Falls.

How many did your city lose? And WHO made it all happen?
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-21 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
What the Law says is what is right. What "The Law" says may be twisted by selfishness and corruption. That was the problem with Maurtia Falls. It's my problem with RISE. Personal motivations undermine and destabilize the rule of law.
Gotham suffered great losses. Thousands of people killed themselves or each other before the military were able to get involved.
In the grand scheme of things, the chaos was attributed to a madman who faciliated the attacks--a destroyer of civilisations known as Ra's al Ghul.
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[personal profile] darkpants_warmfeeling 2015-08-23 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Whatever problems RISE might have, I don't think selfishness is on the list. Come on- can you picture the General taking a bribe? Because I can't.

But that's not the point. Are you really saying that you wouldn't have stopped all THAT from happening to your home, if it meant breaking the rules? I never figured a guy who dressed the way you do would be that focused on regulations.

Is Ra's al Ghul here? Is he the one responsible for the gas?
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-24 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
I can't picture her taking a bribe, no. I can picture her disapproving of a sentence and acting in what she considers to be the best interests of the community, despite the lawful justice rendered. I can picture her allowing the use of undue force to subdue a situation.

[ Surprise he isn't replying to the second question. What stopped him from preventing Crane's activity at home was his being set on fire, so it's a moot point, really. ]

If Ra's al Ghul were here, gas would be the last thing you'd have to worry about.
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[personal profile] darkpants_warmfeeling 2015-08-29 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Would that be so bad if she did? 'Lawful justice' here says that if the person behind this is an imPort, they're looking at two months supervision for hurting all those people. That can't be justice. Can it?

I'm not pushing for execution or torture. But the General has more authority with the government than most imPorts. Her approach could be our best shot at making things right.
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[personal profile] chiroptophobic 2015-08-30 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
We obey the law of this world, we don't make our own. If the law is ineffective and needs changing, it is for politicians and judges to see that those changes are made, by the force of citizen's voices if need be.

If a military officer can change the law to suit her purposes, then we live under military law, and our identity as free citizens with votes, who can rely on the Constitution to protect us from evil as well as injustice counts for nothing. It becomes the whim of the individual alone which decides our fates, and if it is given to a military individual or a military force, then we can only ever see ourselves as military assets or soldiers, never as civilians, free peoples, with the same rights as everyone else.

Mark my words: giving Olivier Armstrong the power to choose and act as she pleases will lead us down a darker path.
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[personal profile] darkpants_warmfeeling 2015-09-01 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Unbelievable. I know the General is harsh, but she has taken charge in crisis after crisis. She deserves more respect than this.

If you had been as worried about stopping the attacker as you are about Armstrong, a lot of people would still be safe today. I hope you're at peace with that, Batman. You're going to have to live with it now.


[Jacob disconnects after that last message. He has now reached his personal Batman Threshold, and has said what he wanted to say.]