text: anonymous

[dreamshades]

[it's just a text, a simple little note for everyone to read. He wants to know how easily this can go or if he should just...try other things.

Lets see....]

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Do you believe people can be redeemed for the crimes they've committed back in the world they came from? Is it at all possible? I question this. We have many horrible people in our midst so I wonder what should I do?

[not really but if he makes this sound sappy enough people might not think it's him.]

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[ voice ]

[hostage]

[Too lazy for typing, but boy does he sound unimpressed.]

No.

anon text

[dreamshades]

[ For Peter it's not. He's playing another long game again. ]

Why's that?

not here

[infomodder]

[he's gonna buy jesse a waffle house dinner as appreciation for this wonderful honesty]

[text]

[justanotherlink]

I bet depends on what they did.

like if it was awful or they were murderers then probably not?

Re: [text]

[dreamshades]

[ note to self:

rip out little girl's heart who ruined his toying of the Pines too soon. Stupid digital age and saving incriminating evidence. ]

Well, lets say for argument's sake they haven't murdered. They've done something else. Abuse power, humiliate another, that sort of thing.

What then?

voice;

[112ounces]

[ Fuck you Jesse Pinkman he hopes you hear this. ]

It depends.

text

[dreamshades]

Upon what? The individual? The crimes? Both? Or something else entirely?

not here

[hostage]

[He does hear this.]

[slightlyoffchilt]

[Because he knows at least some of the drama going on between Pinkman and Carl, and so this is hilarious...]

Very few people can be redeemed. But I wouldn't speak in absolutes.

still anon text: lemme know if i need to edit

[dreamshades]

[ oh hey, it's that therapist everyone's creeped out by. Or so he's heard.]

Surprising to hear that from a doctor of the mind. I thought that's what people in your profession were supposed to do.

[beneathbluerafters]

[ slow text, because klarion still kinda sucks at typing! ]

it depends on the crime, and on whether they want to redeem themselves at all.

there are horrible people everywhere, you'd best get used to it.

[dreamshades]

[ urge to ask about the cat rising...

but no. He'll do that privately and in no reference to this post. He can't have the imPort public thinking they're unsafe talking to anons. How scandalous would that be? And unhelpful. ]

I have been use to it for awhile. The things i've dealt with...I shudder to imagine it again.

Still, what would your idea of punishment be if they can't be redeemed?

text | id reads "power girl"

[boobwindow]

If they truly want to change, it's a possibility.

[dreamshades]

[ How teeth achingly sweet and sugary. No surprise from a "hero" who advocated for not murdering him. ]

It's one thing to say but do you believe it?

voice;

[shifting]

Redemption's the same question whether it's for things a person did here or a world away. In the end it just comes down to them. Public opinion makes it harder, sure, but that's not who it falls on to make the choice.

A person either wants it or they don't. It's a fight either way.

voice;

[dreamshades]

You are correct perhaps. I wonder however, if the tide of public opinion was so strong would it even be possible? People certainly do love their monsters.

video;

[fuckinstoplights]

Isn't that why humans imprison each other? For... redeeming them?

text

[dreamshades]

[ Maybe he can mainipulate this one later. He'll have to give it a go.]Exactly that. Humans believe behaviour can be corrected and moulded into something more ideal.

text;

[trigeminalheadache]

I want to be hopeful and say yes. Redemption can be possible, if they've repented and atoned and made actual effective changes.

That can be difficult, though.

text;

[dreamshades]

Difficult for the one atoning or those to accept it?

VOICE.

[mantlepieces]

[ This question hits uncomfortably close to home, though some of the answers -- not all -- help mitigate that initial punch to the gut. After a moment of debate, he decides it'll drive him crazy not to weigh in. ]

Of course it's possible -- not everyone can do it, but not everyone can whistle, either. You just have to want it bad enough.

text

[dreamshades]

[ Now this is a person he hasn't had the pleasure to talk with.

Hmmm... ]

And if the offender can never be forgiven? Do you still think redemption is a noble goal?

text;

[textualhealing]

Can't be 'redeemed' for what you've done, what's done is done.
But people can change.
Just because a serial killer becomes a charity working saint, doesn't mean they didn't kill a whole bunch of people once upon a time. Doesn't take away from the good work they're doing now either.

text;

[dreamshades]

[ Ironic. That's what this sounds like. ]

That would be the response of a lawyer.

voice;

[hisheartsdesire]

What do you mean by "redeemed"? Something like just forgive and forget, having charges dropped, attempting payment for sins, or doing some sort of penance?

Because either way, we can't affect our worlds from here. And the rules here don't always reflect those that existed wherever we're from. At any rate, we won't even remember this place if we're sent back home...

[So it all seems rather pointless trying.]

text

[dreamshades]

Anything is possible here. Perhaps we'll find a way to leave with our minds intact.

[ Because Pan is sure as hell not going back to death if he can help it. ]

But to answer your question, we'll go with penance.

voice

[23wishes]

Absolutely. I think anyone can be redeemed no matter what they've done. Now, as for how easy it would be... That's another thing entirely. They might have to be dedicated to it.

text

[dreamshades]

If so, what happens if you're left with a choice. Between killing this person or allowing them to try and change? Would you do it? Even if it meant uncertainty if they ever would?

text;

[givetheslip]

Why do you think it's your role to do anything?

text

[dreamshades]

Isn't the role of every hero here? [ He has to gag a little when he writes it. Ugh. But, whatever. ]

This place offers a second chance to many people. Shouldn't we facilitate that change?

text;

[historiology]

Maybe? Depending on what they did? Or, I'd like to think so. Everyone should be given another chance, right? Being on a whole other world, where nobody necessarily knows them and what they did, it's like a new start.

Maybe that's naive or idealistic of me, but. That's what I'd want to believe. If they are sorry for whatever it is they did. Doesn't change that they did it, but it wouldn't make any attempts to change themselves now for the better either.

text;

[dreamshades]

and the crimes perpetrated here? Can they also be forgiven?

But, I think you're right.

text;

[shittybirthday]

don't see why it matters
also don't think it's any of your business doing anything

text;

[dreamshades]

then how come you're here saying anything if it doesn't matter

[Voice]

[cantwalkwithoutit]

Of course. It is...difficult, to say the least. But having lived long enough to go through many changes? Not impossible. But not everyone is as long-lived.

There are complications: backsliding, focusing on the wrong things, distractions. The usual.

text

[dreamshades]

[ He nearly wants to vomit at this but also laugh. Rumple, dear rumple talking to anon? How foolish. Pan believes nothing of this. Rumple could never change despite everything he sacrificed to stop Pan? It's laughable. ]

Have you ever stopped yourself from falling down that slope?

text; anon

[superposition]

[Haha hello there relevant to his interests question :'D]

Depends on what you mean by "redeemed." If you're talking about some karmic annulment of what you've done, then no. It's not a zero-sum equation.

text; anon

[dreamshades]

I don't believe I said anything about annulling it but what of forgiveness?