[Video, forward-dated to the 18th, after everyone is back to normal]

[generalgrievous]

[The face that appears on the screen is perhaps recognisable to some but it is not truly a face. It is a bone mask. Similar to the cyborg General Grievous but more organic and not made of metal. The voice, as well, is more earthy and not electronically filtered, but he has the same rough accent. The yellow, reptilian eyes are also the same and there is again a cloak, which is lighter in colour and he's wearing more clothing in beige and browns - but he is sans headwear this time. His long black hair is free and he's currently raking his bulky, red-skinned claw-like fingers through it. There's a sound of annoyance before he distractedly begins braiding it and he starts to speak.]

There are more Jedi here now and while my memories can be clouded at times, I remember well what they have done.

Do not believe the lies that they protect the innocent and are peacekeepers. I shall tell you my story.

My world was in turmoil. The evil Huk had invaded and attempted to enslave my people, the Kaleesh. We fought back valiantly and over years I rose up in the ranks to push them back to their world. After all the suffering they caused myself and my people; all the warriors they killed. My friends. My family. They deserved to be eliminated from the universe. They conquered other worlds. Kalee was not the only one. But the Kaleesh were the only ones to fight back, to not be used and made slaves to the Huk.

But the Huk were cowards. They fled to the Republic when they were no longer winning the war and lied to make themselves seem the victims; lying that the Kaleesh had attacked them first. The Republic sent their 'peacekeepers' to Kalee to see to this matter and these Jedi never even asked for our side of the story. They believed the lying Huk and so attacked my people and our world. Kalee suffered even more than they had under the invasion of the Huk. Our lands were ruined. Thousands died through famine due to the harshest sanctions put on our world. The Jedi and the Republic were responsible for this, under the pretense of aiding victims but the Huk were not victims. The Jedi blindly helped our enemies.

But this was not the end of their crimes.

I sought help for my people and made a deal to work for the banking clans if they would aid my world. The Huk soon attacked once again, ruining sacred grounds. I had to take action but as I did my shuttle was sabotaged, crashed and I nearly killed. The Jedi again were responsible for this.

[He had Count Dooku's word about that - and of course that wouldn't be another lie, now would it? Grievous, even in this form, doesn't know about any of these manipulations. He goes on.]

They are not kind. They are not good. They should be bound and kept from doing further harm.

[There is a low growl in his words and he has finally finished the long braid. With a shake of his head, it falls into place down his back.]

Let this be a warning to this world. Do not trust any Jedi.

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[therewillbeorder]

The Jedi I have met here have only further convinced me that the Purge was necessary after the Clone Wars. The Jedi enabled corruption, they were a festering rot on the galaxy.

I hope that they will not be able to destroy this world but there are many who buy into their lies and into the facade that they perpetuate even now.

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[generalgrievous]

Yes, they can be persuasive with their mind tricks, always preying on the weaker willed.

Their destruction is necessary.

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[pummelgranite]

[ Oh it's Socially Awkward Battle God Skullface Man. They've only talked briefly, but she likes him, due to how he is a god, and socially awkward, and has a skull for a face. ]

That's . . . pretty fucked up.

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[generalgrievous]

It is merely a brief and personal overview of what damage they have caused. I am sure that many others in the galaxy have also been terribly affected by the Jedi and their arrogant ways.

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[dun_moch]

[Count Dooku looks solemn and dignified in the video, nodding sagely.]

Well-said, General. The truth about your people's suffering must be told.

To anyone who may have questions about the Jedi: I served as one of them for many years, before I realized that the corruption of the Republic could no longer be tolerated and left to pursue a new path. I can tell you firsthand of the many problems within the Jedi Order. The trials of the Kaleesh are just the beginning.

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[generalgrievous]

You were indeed wise enough to see the error of their ways.

So many of them merely followed the path blindly and without question, causing destruction in the name of their supposed version of peace.

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[functusofficio]

[ you are the reason she started listing off the geonosis dead dooku

YOU'RE THE REASON ]

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[drivesadesk]

Well, that's messed up. I'll make sure to keep an eye on them.

There are a lot of races in my universe that behave like the Huk. Some members of my own race can be like that, but I'm standing against it back in my universe, and I'm not the only one.

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[generalgrievous]

Good. We must all fight against the tyrrany of such terrible beings and creatures as the Huk and the Jedi.

[accipresident]

[Yikes. This guy looks scary, sure, but his story is a lot scarier.]

I'm really sorry to hear that, man. That's awful. Sounds like you tried really hard to look after your people, though—I'm sure that meant a lot to them.

[generalgrievous]

They understand the sacrifices I have made for their survival.

[And they don't revere him as a Demi-God for nothing. His strategy and fighting skills won them their freedom. His deals later relieved the suffering on Kalee, even though it cost him greatly personally. He would do anything for his people.]

[monsterdoc]

[ Bruce stares and listens and winces, and worse, remembers people in his universe who have done such. he has no idea of any discrepancies and right now, staring at this person he likes, and knows, here, he feels an anger that is always below the surface stir hotter, higher.

Damn. ]

I'm sorry to hear of that. And sorrier to know that you had to deal with this. All too often are governments and their enforcers painted as the image of virtue and yet fully corrupt.

[generalgrievous]

The extent of the corruption is great yet they all refuse to listen.

[It is narrow-minded of him to lump them all in together though.]

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[bestpirate]

[A skull with cross bones is the typical symbol of a pirate vessel. Some pirates back within the Golden Age would use different variations of this iconic symbol but it's always in the form of some sort of human skeleton. So when Jack sees this block in his bone-like mask, he's instantly thinking "pirate" rather than the cyborg he briefly spoke to the day before.

His eyes are round with curiosity. Jack knows very little about the Jedi besides the bloke he met a few days ago. There seems to be a lot of buzz regarding these gray pilgrims. Enough to win Jackie's interest in these bizarre "Star People" and the drama that has followed them all the way here to Earth.

So when the General speaks, the pirate listens.]

Valiant you were to fight for your people. [Jack says with some hint of genuine respect in his voice.] I know something of "slavers" and never would I associate myself with the likes of such villainy.

[His thoughts stray briefly as the creature weaves his tale. Jack doesn't know what to believe and what not to believe but he utterly refuses to cast judgment just yet.]

The Huk lied to them. To the Republic, I mean. On false pretenses, the Jedi were sent to fight their war. That's not right.

[He shakes his head slowly.]

Not at all.

[generalgrievous]

Indeed. Why would anyone who sides with slavers be thought of as good?

Even if the Huk kept those facts to themselves, the Jedi should have opened their eyes and seen for themselves what these monstrers did to my world and my people.

For me to gain the upper hand against them I should have been celebrated and my world not punished.

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[kanyounot]

[ Well this is certainly fun! Okay, no, it's not fun. But it's no more or less than what Kanan was expecting (and even hoping for) after firing the first salvo in his podcast. He suspected someone would come out of the woodwork, to accuse the Jedi of... whatever.

So, he figures this deserves some kind of answer, since the story, if true, is pretty damning for the Jedi. So here he is - video, as usual, though of course he has no use for the visual himself. The mask he wears isn't an attempt to conceal his identity, either.

He's not really here to talk to Grievous, or anyone from his own world. He figures most of them already have their opinions pretty well set, on whether the Jedi are good or bad. No, he's mostly here to address the people who don't know, except what people tell them. ]

Hey guys. Kanan Jarrus, Jedi Knight.

[ He gives a little wave. ]

I could tell you the story of this war, as I learned it - the Jedi called it the Yam'rii Crisis, because the creatures Grievous calls "Huk" were actually Yam'rii. But I wasn't there - it was before my time, I only know what I was told. A Kaleesh warlord - [ He nods a little to indicate Grievous - ] was targeting civilians on Yam'rii worlds, and the Jedi were asked to intervene, so they did.

I don't know much more than that. If what Grievous says is true, then the Jedi involved made a terrible mistake and should've been held accountable, like anyone else.

And yet, this "Purge" they talk about - such an innocent-sounding word for the mass murder of thousands, including innocent younglings. I got lucky. I had some training, and I managed to survive. Those children in the Temple on Coruscant, they weren't as lucky.

Really, my point is that one atrocity doesn't justify another.

[generalgrievous]

[It's what he believes to be the truth, driving his hatred on.]

The Huk and the Jedi both deserve to be eliminated from the galaxy. Did they care that Kaleesh children also suffered and died by their actions?

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[knaval]

I take it some are here? Because no-one really listened when I said the DJD were around. People seem to think past crimes don't matter here. Which is really really stupid.

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[kanyounot]

Hey, hi. I think we've talked before on this thing? Yeah, I'm a Jedi.

[ Kanan smiles faintly. ]

Thing is, there's no way to hold anyone here accountable for crimes they may or may not have committed in their world of origin. I mean, I could tell you that ole Grievous here is responsible for thousands of deaths in my world. That he's nothing short of genocidal, completely willing to commit mass murder because he's so driven by his own hatred.

He could accuse me of the same stuff, but neither of us could prove it, so who do you believe?

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[hadthehighground]

[Well... this is interesting. It’s clear who this is and Obi-Wan is a bit startled at first. Though as the Kaleesh launches into his tale, the Jedi listens. It was clear what Grievous was trying to do here. Obi-Wan was not so blind, nor was he so stupid as to start an argument. However, this did deserve a response. But if Grievous was looking for a fight, he wouldn’t find one.]

I remember this conflict, though I was but a young man still in training at the time and had no hand in it. For that reason, I can’t speak for the Jedi who were involved, nor those who made the decisions, or the senate who sent them.

There is atrocity in any war, and I’m certain both sides had their fair share. Who was to blame, I couldn’t say. Though we as Jedi are capable of making mistakes.

That being said, if any Jedi were indeed responsible for any wrong doing against your people, then as a member of the last Jedi High Council, you have my most sincere apologies.

[His words are genuine, for after all, the Jedi were called to have compassion. No one deserved what Grievous has described. Even those who would be considered villains.]

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[dun_moch]

[Dooku allows Kenobi a gracious nod at his words.]

Well said, Master Kenobi. While it is up to the General whether to accept your apology, I will say it is good to see that the Jedi Council can still muster some measure of nobility.

[Let Grievous keep raging while Dooku positions himself as the courteous, reasonable aristocrat. Good Separatist, Bad Separatist.]

[vanto]

[Somewhere behind a screen, Eli Vanto is sighing and shaking his head.]

The only thing I know for certain is that our galaxy is a mess.

[generalgrievous]

Much of that can be easily blamed on the Jedi and the Republic.

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[ashla]

As I have learned over the years, the Jedi made mistakes, much like every being or race in the universe can. Genocide however is not the answer to any conflict. That battle was a very long time ago and was presented to the Jedi falsely. I realize no words here can ease the pain the General has suffered, but I ask that those watching this, or reading this text, will consider this:

None of the Jedi responsible for those actions are here. The Jedi were mercilessly attacked and destroyed. Those that are here were raised in the Jedi Order since childhood, being trained in their beliefs, much like those of the Empire believe they too are doing good. Who's side is pure? Who's side is innocent? In a war where lives are lost on a daily basis, is anyone innocent?

Before you consider lynching those of the Jedi that are here, out of place and away from a war torn universe, please take into thought:

Their Council is not here.
Their war is not here.
This is not their home.
They are the same as any other imPort here.
This is a new start for them as it is for you.

If General Grievous is allowed a fresh start and a second chance after every being and race he has slaughtered (rightfully or not), are the Jedi not permitted a second chance as well?

Killing these people will stop nothing. It will only spread more hate and violence. Allow them to prove themselves as you have allowed others from our universe to prove themselves worthy.

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[candor1]

Seconded

In addition: the likeliest outcome of preemptive action is to incite the things it would be intended to prevent. This is self-defeating.

The only way to definitely bring back the war is to do so on purpose.

Those of any allegiance who fought for safety and order must agree, that is also self-defeating.

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[faithfulson]

[ Luke... doesn't know how to feel about a lot of this. Taking in the story, and the clarification from Kanan, it was pretty clear that the Jedi were dragged in and reacted to the situation with only half the story. But... still, the fact that this even happened was making him ask questions all over again. "They didn't have the whole story," wasn't an excuse, not for people that claimed to protect justice in the galaxy. ]

[ Rather than get in the middle of the back and forth that still was bound to come, Luke opted to contact him privately. ]

I'm sorry.
I know it doesn't mean much coming from someone that wasn't even born yet.
But I'm sorry this happened to you.

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[generalgrievous]

Sorry does not balm the loss or return family and allies to life. However, I appreciate the sentiment.

[His voice is graciously thankful.]

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[carbonfrozen]

So they screwed up. That's nothing new. Doesn't mean you can't trust the Jedi here, especially if they weren't even involved in that mess. You can't blame them.

[He's just fresh off a week of thinking he was a Jedi, so he's a little more defensive, right now, than he would be usually. And besides, his best friend's a Jedi, and he'd trust him with his life.]

[generalgrievous]

All Jedi think the same thoughts and follow the same path. They colllectively should be blamed for the failures that result in such devastation.

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[functusofficio]

[ She's looking extremely Senatorial, aware that she's responding not only to him but to the many people following this post and the conversation, her clothes set in place as she sits on a couch. ]

My world was invaded by the Trade Federation around the same time as your world was suffering its war. The Republic sent Jedi ambassadors to my world as they had to yours. I do not know fully the circumstances surrounding your people's fight - I know only the Senatorial records that state the Jedi sent there found the Kaleesh slaughtering civilians and acted in accordance to that finding. Your own words do not make me find that an inaccurate statement, and in the event of arriving on a world and finding one party killing all civilians, it would be the humanitarian thing to do to first protect the civilians in the way of harm.

In the case of my world, the Jedi ambassadors found evidence of grave wrongdoing and illegal trespass by the Trade Federation, and they were able to bring me to the Senate and make the case of their findings and my own plea to the Senate.

It wrought nothing. The Senate went into committee. In the face of their inaction, the Jedi helped me return to my planet so that I might free it without the aid the Senate refused to provide.

The ability to put your world into famine, the sanctions that would have caused that could not have been placed by the Jedi themselves, they did not have that power. They had the power only to go in under certain circumstances and attempt to establish a peace enough for the Senate to act, and they acted only in pairs for the most part until the Clone Wars began. Until the Clone Wars they did not have military power, and when they gained it it killed countless of them because it is not how they were ever meant to be as an Order.

At the time, though, the Senate was mired in corruption. And even after, when we thought we had freed the Senate from that corruption, it remained in the form of Chancellor Palpatine, who sought only to create an Empire from the ashes of the Republic.

I am sorry for what befell your world, and if the Jedi acted wrongly in that case then that is something that should have been addressed and corrected. But to blame the actions of the Jedi who came to your world on all of the Jedi of the Order and assume them to be universally abhorrent is to ignore the many Jedi who have done their duty well and correctly and the many who have died in defense of the innocent.

Qui-Gon Jinn, in defense of my homeworld. Sar Labooda. Ur-Sema Du. Sarissa Jeng. Stam Reath. Depa Billaba.

Nahdar Vebb. You might remember the name of the child you killed.

The list is much longer than that, but we do not all have time for these old quarrels to be brought into a new world.

I should have known it was too much for me to hope that you would be willing to leave them behind.

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[kanyounot]

[ He might not have bothered to respond to this at all, but that list of names - his own master, most of all, but all of the names tug at his heart and his memories. ]

Thank you for the insight, Padme.

[ He bows his head slightly, and once again he's speaking not so much to her as to - whoever else is watching this. ]

Depa Billaba was my Master, and the one I knew best, but all of them were fine Jedi. They protected the innocent, and set an example for the rest of us. Master Billaba was a member of the Council, the ruling body of the Order. She often disagreed with their decisions, even so. She once told me she believed the Jedi made a mistake, in inserting themselves into the military chain-of-command during the Clone Wars. I didn't understand why back then, but I do now. The Jedi should never be generals, ordering other people to fight and die.

[ And now he's explained exactly why he hasn't taken any sort of formal role in the rebellion. ]

Anyway, the point is, the Jedi Order definitely made mistakes. Probably lots of them. But hopefully our fellow ImPorts will judge us each on our own merits, and our own actions, despite Grievous's words.

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[notayoungman]

[ There is absolutely no way he believes any of this. In a world where he trusts no one, he trusts Grievous even less. History is a fickle thing, and changes dramatically depending on who tells it. Given that there are people who called for his head, personally, thinking Overwatch had committed terrible crimes in the line of duty, he's suspicious. It sounds like a terrible tale, and what happened to the Kaleesh was a nightmare of war. But one thing really stands out to solidify his distrust. ]

It's like what they told me. Coming here's a clean slate. We can't go rounding up people for what they did in another world. But something tells me the Jedi we got here had no hand in what happened to you.

[ Since most of them to speak about Grievous as if they'd heard about him on the news or in history books. ]

[generalgrievous]

[Even being a third form and look for Grievous, he's recognisable to those paying attention by his reptilian eyes, his voice and that distinctive mask. While not exactly the same it's reminiscent enough to the cyborg's. Any electronic ID's that pop up are also not hidden and so the linked names of Qymaen jai Sheelal and Grievous can also be noted for those who know where to look. The alien isn't pleased now to hear that voice. He counts the soldier as a troublemaker, even if they had a relatively peaceful second meeting.]

They are not the same Jedi but all Jedi claim to be peacekeepers when this is simply not the case. The public should be informed of such misinformation before it has a chance to spread.

[am_i_a_monster]

Do you know the people here as individuals? Or are you judging them based on solely on what group they belong to?

[generalgrievous]

They follow the rules and path set by their Council and the Republic. They are not truly individual minds.

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[prophesiedone]

[Part of him wants to stand up for some of the Jedi present. It's an old habit, unwilling to die and terribly willing to drive home the fact of who he used to be.]

They were purged. Killing them here will do you no good.

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[generalgrievous]

I did not mention killing them here.

[Although he certainly wouldn't be against anyone doing so.]

They need to be contained. Restrained. And everybody is now warned about the trouble they can cause.